Married and Still Masturbating!

Queen Ama's Intellectual Debate

Is It Possible for a Man to Keep Masturbating Even When Married?

Commentator 1

Tony

Very possible!!

January 8 at 9:33pm

Moderator
 
Ama

Why would he masturbate when married? He has a wife.

January 8 at 9:35pm

Commentator 2
 
Tony

Perhaps, you need to go beyond the dictionary
definition of masturbation to discuss with somebody who has once engaged in the act. Masturbation sometimes, comes as a life saver. I condem it though, but the animalistic tendencies in man will always bring about masturbation especially in young adults. This challenge can be solved by consciously guiding our thoughts and it takes a while
January 8 at 9:43pm 

Commentator 3

Basil

Probably if his wife cannot satisfy him enough
January 8 at 9:47pm · Like


Commentator 2
 
Tony

‎@Basil, u have a point though, but it is not necessarily so. once a man is caught by the virus - i mean masturbation, no matter how the wife satisfies him, he will masturbate in her absence. This is perhaps, the mystery behind masturbation that only a few can explain....
January 8 at 9:53pm · Like · 1 person

Moderator

Ama

Tony spot on. Basil go
to http://queenamafoodforthought.blogspot.com/2011/01/masturbation-on-increase.html
January 9 at 3:58am 

Commentator 4
 
Chris Ben

Masturbation is not a bad thing as religious books paint it to be. I always say that if you are not an expert in a field of science steer clear from making judgments in it.Fact 1 - In 2009, the UK Government joined the Netherlands and other European nations in encouraging teens to masturbate at least daily. An orgasm was defined as a right in its health pamphlet. The obvious reasons being that it reduces teen pregnancy and STIs (STDs), and to promote healthy habits. 1950s studies on US population have shown that 92% of men and 62% of women have masturbated during their lifespan, in the UK It was found that, between individuals aged 16 to 44, 95% of men and 71% of women masturbated at some point in their lives. 73% of men and 37% of women reported masturbating in the four weeks before their interview, while 53% of men and 18% of women reported masturbating in the previous seven days. These numbers speak for themselves, no matter how much you want to see it as bad it is part of the human nature. Let’s not even go into the health benefits. Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other – in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect and thus a more harmonious relationship like the case above, it has been there since time memorial and will always be there.
January 10 at 7:51pm · 

Commentator 5

Augustine

I don’t think it’s possible for a man to masturbate while married. Exceptions exist though and few assumptions come to the fore. Is the wife deformed, does she have any challenges satisfying the man? Is the man bound to the habit before marriage? These are some questions needed to be addressed.
January 12 at 2:39pm 

Commentator 4
 
Chris Ben ‎

@Augustine, that is a pretty narrow way to look at the issue, I made some valid summations above. We all have different libidos and as such look for ways to attend to it. It is very sad how some of these things have been demonized.
January 12 at 8:45pm ·

Moderator

Ama Kachikwu

Where is self-control and restraint in all of this? Now because I love cars and I cannot afford a Bentley do I steal to satisfy my urge for Bentley? Do I borrow my neighbour's Bentley just to make myself happy? Too much of everything is bad; sex should also be in moderation.
Saturday at 10:19pm ·


Commentator 6

Sandra

@ Ben... are you a medical doctor or in the field of medicine
9 hours ago ·

Commentator 6

Sandra

@ Ama... nice and bold gutsy topic... hmmmm
9 hours ago · 

Commentator 4

 
Chris Ben

‎@Ama your analogy is quite crude and does not model the issue at hand quite well. Is masturbation a bad thing? I think we should start from there. I have constantly harped on this as being one of those issues that are demonized for the sake of it regardless of whatever benefits it might have. This is issue really has little to do with moderation; it is a way to let of steam for some if not most people. What do you want an individual working say in a bbc meteorological station situated in the North pole to do? He is there for years without his wife and is performing duties that keep the meteorology world afloat. Are you going to say he should not at least satisfy himself sexually? He should turn of his hormones? I admit that it is not impossible to do but it would be quite harsh for you not to consider that just like we all have different libidos we possess different will power and if this is something that would help the man function then he should be allowed to have at it without feeling guilty. Furthermore countless teens engage in it rather than expose themselves to the teeming population of STD's we have there. I am an advocate that abstinence does not work and that is the painful truth no one wants to believe. People have sex every day, everyday teens, young adults, adults everyone does it. Let us campaign instead on ways to make it safe.
3 hours ago · Like · 1 person

Moderator

Ama

Ben I totally disagree with you and most times the call for discipline and control may seem rather crude but in fact is the solution. You obviously belong to the growing school of thought who believes that masturbation is not just harmless but actually healthy. Even in some Christian circles, it is said that since it involves no other person it cannot be harmful. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fuel for masturbation is the image of the person's object of desire. A person cannot masturbate without the aid of a spirit of lust. This spirit usually does not act alone; it often brings other negative spirits. For example pornography is often accompanied by masturbation. It is instructive that most people who masturbate admit to feeling "dirty" after the act. Some also admit to a feeling of shame and guilt. These are certainly not the feelings associated with a "wholesome act". The act of masturbation constitutes worship to the spirits of sexual immorality that instigated it. These spirits eventually enslave and dominate the person engaging in the act. This is the sole reason why people who engage in this practice and art find it so difficult to get out from enslavement. Hence the decision to start new school of thought masturbation is not just "harmless but actually healthy". Children who engage in masturbation find it easier to have the real sex without looking back. Adults who engage in masturbation even when married are more likely to cheat on their spouse on a regular basis. "A SEXUAL ADDICT IS A PERSON WHO IS ENSLAVED TO COMPULSIVE SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR". It does not matter whether it is fornication, masturbation, pornography or whether the person is an exhibitionist, a voyeur or an adulterer. His soul has been ensnared in a web of sexual immorality. What may have started out as "harmless fun" has now become a bondage. Such a person will get a "high" from the sexual activity in much the same way an alcoholic would from alcohol or a drug addict from drugs. In a perverse way, he gets a buzz from doing something he knows he shouldn't. I will end this by saying " stolen waters (pleasures) are sweet (because they are forbidden); and bread eaten in secret is pleasant." Proverbs 9:17 a=AMP.The solution! What can I do to get rid of sexually immoral thoughts and images that plague one?
2 hours ago · 

Commentator 7
 
Lawrence Eli O Vannilla

my only point is don’t be a judge leave people to their habits stop condemning if it isn’t good for u just stop it might just be another’s saviour from disease death and many shit it cud eve save the marriage from infidelity even pornstars who have maxi sex also masturbate.
2 hours ago · Like · 1 person

Commentator 4

Chris Ben

Ama, permit me to digress a bit before I come back to the crux of the issue at hand here. I am of the opinion that this group stands for people who are intellectually independent enough to deal with issues as they affect us today. The group should create an avenue where people regardless of race or religious affiliations would be able to relate to the issues being discussed without prejudice, there are many people reading this even if they do not have the nerve to comment for fear of being judged as bad people. That said let us go back to the issue at hand; we have to separate morality from 'biblical" morality. If you were to explain to a young Hindu boy how would you tell him that what he is doing is wrong? Even from a Christian point of view your claim that a person cannot masturbate without the spirit of lust is at best specious and lacks the insight an advisory on such issues should have. If we go back to the analogy of the man in the North pole what stops the man from masturbating with the thoughts of the love of his life which happens to be his wife? Would that be a sin too? huh? Only people who have heard sermons from people like you all their lives that doing it is bad feel guilty after masturbating, people feel bad when they do things that are not in line with the things the "profess" to believe, this does not make it true in any way. Quite ostensibly you have also made claims about children having sex and adults cheating if they masturbate, do you have any evidence to support your claims? or is it just how you feel? Logic would point that a person averse to sorting out hormonal issues by masturbating would find it less interesting to waste time and resources chasing skirts to satisfy that same need. My dear let us deal with issues in a way that it would help everyone, this idea of wishing away issues would not help us at all. Take eastern and southern Africa for instance which have the highest population of Catholics in the continent, they have been refused the use of condoms because the church believes it interferes with the process of pro creation, they have the highest cases of HIV/AIDS in Africa. Why? Because no matter how much you thump the bible people would still have sex and if they do not do it in a safe way then you leave them to the mercy of these viruses "who" not surprisingly do not know what the book of proverbs says. They would just destroy their hosts’ body and that my dear AMA is the FACT of this issue at hand.
about an hour ago · Like ·  1 person

Commentator 8

Roseline Ekune

Ama if i may ask you from which point of view are we talking about??? Are u talking about masturbation generally or only from the religious point of view?? Then maybe you should restate the question about masturbation, have you noticed that even pastors hardly preach on masturbation, why do you think so???
about an hour ago ·

Commentator 6

Sandra

‎@ Roseline... it is great that you talk about clarifying Ama's position as whether from a religious standpoint, I am pastor and we do preach about all types of things and perhaps if we addressed it more then there will be little confusion about the topic. Most of the times pastors either preach from inspiration or from social ills depending where they are and what they consider important. While I am pastor and believe in abstinence I also am realistic that everyone will not practice so I say be safe and use protection... some may disagree with me, but I am here for people to live another than to die and go to hell. A dead man cannot repent...
about an hour ago · Like · 1 person

Moderator

Ama

Ben this is an open debate and everyone is free to comment. It is not an avenue to judge others but a place where hot matters are tested and analysed. Thankfully I have been on both sides of the coin and understand masturbation is not really the way to go. However if you still believe it helps you being a strong advocate then continue in the practice of masturbation. However, I find anything which you can't control overtime enslaves you and becomes an enemy. Coming back to hiv/aids in Africa doctors warn that it is better to abstain. You can catch hiv/aids from oral sex and other techniques within sex. Abstinence, self-control and restraint is the way forward. There is nothing religious about this. You cannot play your way around HIV/AIDS and not even masturbation can help here. Again abstaining is the way forward, control and doing things in moderation.
about an hour ago · 

Moderator

Ama

@Roseline this is a general topic on masturbation. Therefore if anyone has a viewpoint they should bring it to Queen Ama's food for thought to be tested clearly by experts in various fields for it to be accepted.
about an hour ago · 

 
Chris Ben

Like Roseline pointed out let us know if this is a religious discussion or a secular one then we know what ship to board as regards the answers we bring forth. I have been on both sides of the coin to and my saying masturbation is the way to go does not make it true. My point is if one can stand it and it does not harm any other person then we have to allow the person be. Our sexuality would always be part of us it is criminal to tell anyone to turn of their hormones so they would not become slaves to it. As for the issue of abstinence lets not even go there, here are some facts for you to digest according to a 2000 report by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), correct and consistent use of latex condoms reduces the risk of HIV/AIDS transmission by approximately 85% relative to risk when unprotected, putting the seroconversion rate (infection rate) at 0.9 per 100 person-years. Analysis published in 2007 from the University of Texas Medical Branch and the World Health Organization found similar risk reductions of 80–95%. Africa is inhabited by just over 14.7% of the world's population; it is estimated to have more than 88% of people living with HIV and 92% of all AIDS deaths in 2007! Those are human beings AMA even up to children born into this world with the disease from no fault of theirs and you still think we should be preaching abstinence? Southern Africa has the worst adult prevalence in the whole of Africa and they have been preaching abstinence, I am at a loss here.....what result does one get from trying the same approach over and over again?
about an hour ago · Like · 1 person 

Moderator

Ama


‎@ Ben that is the problem people who out of lack of self-control and restrain would ignore a solution preventing millions from dying. Hiv/Aids did not start with millions of people getting infected. it started with just one person and has spread like wild fire. Probably if that one man kept to himself practising masturbation I would agree with you masturbation is good. However, HIV/AIDS is not the topic of debate. Is it possible for a Man to keep masturbating even when married? Why would a Man masturbate when he has a wife? It is not a religious topic even-though one could get religious solutions to answer such questions.
about an hour ago · 

Commentator 4

 

Chris Ben

Many thanks for clarifying things Ama, the answers are out there for anyone to choose from. Married men and women alike masturbate. The reasons are obvious; there is nothing remotely spiritual about it. It’s just hormones doing their thing.
about an hour ago 

Moderator

 

Ama

‎@ Ben funny enough there are other activities people can engage in giving them the same satisfaction as masturbation when a partner is not there to assist them. You can try plummeting 130ft or sky diving that can also help. The feeling you get is wonderful. Although nothing still compares to couples enshrining their love in the form of love-making or copulation but not one masturbating and thinking of other sex scenes with another woman whom he eventually goes out to cheat with. I have heard of cases where husband and wife in the act of love making call another woman or man's name just at the point of climax. You ask the man or woman later and he/she denies saying it was just a name I used to call when masturbating because you were not in town and away in the BBC meteorological station situated in the North pole.
51 minutes ago

Commentator 4

 

Chris Ben

ROTFLMAO that was actually funny, but hold your horses for a bit, how would a man living in the slums of India get the resources to take bus ride for himself not to talk of sky diving? We must try to keep our suggestions grounded and modest enough for every tobe, dike and Cecelia out there. Ama people think of other sex scenes when having sex with other people even if they do not masturbate, some men need these images in their heads so they do not cheat on their wives. Masturbating is joy to the many millions in the world who are cut of from their loved ones, they find solace in knowing that they have kept their bodies physically at least for the one they love. You have to try and open your mind here, some people cannot just do without sex for a long time and that does not make them weaker people. It’s just who they are
43 minutes ago ·

Commentator 4

 

Chris Ben

From a general point of view ama is masturbation a bad thing? Tell us why?
42 minutes ago

Moderator

Ama

Ben I would not encourage the idea people cannot do without sex for a long time. That is a very flimsy excuse. Who cannot do without sex? Who does not love sex? Christian sisters you see in church are more sensual than most people who think they cannot do without sex. The lack of self-control and mind control cannot be over emphasized here. I need a doctor to clarify this point that hormonal differences in Men make them masturbate when married and think of other sex scenes which later becomes a thing of reality as oppose to an initial idea. I tell you something self-control and restrain are the hardest virtues to practice but once you start with the grace of GOD you laugh at your past understanding those frivolous behaviour were just not necessary. Ben I have nothing to add at this point other than stick to my claims that masturbation is not the way to go and an unwholesome practice which people are not very comfortable coming out in the open to agree they practice it and enjoy it.
28 minutes ago.

Commentator 4

 

Chris Ben

I was about to quit myself, the merry go round is making me feel woozy already. People are not comfortable admitting it because they feel it’s a taboo that is a no brainer. Like you said leave the job to a doctor, you have not been able to tell us why it is an unwholesome practice from the general point of view and that is what I asked you. To state categorically what is wrong with masturbating, your claim that people who masturbate go on to cheat does not wash at all.
22 minutes ago ·

Moderator

 

Ama

Ben read all my comments and you will understand why I still stick with Masturbation not being good for anyone. When you have read it and have any more questions let me know or you can email me on my personal email box on ama.kachikwu@giamediaservciesltd.com.

At this junction, I did like to say this has been a hot and spicy debate on Queen Ama;s Food for thought but not without Ben, Tony, Roseline and Sandra who have made it worthwhile. Thank you so much for your immense contributions and adding the right ingredients. If you are  a medical doctor please email us as your expertise would be required to further understand why Men masturbate thinking of a sex scene; which later becomes a thing of reality with 2 people involved this time as oppose to an initial 1 minute fun or idea done solely.
11 minutes ago · 

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Why Does Love Have to Hurt so Much?

Julian from London:  December 25, 2009 at 11:58am 

You've got ur head so high its amazing....n you seem like the kinda person i could talk to..i hv an issue n i guess the only way i could get it off is by sharing.... holla

   Ama  December 26, 2009 at 1:25am

   Cool dear. email .

Julian from London:   December 26, 2009 at 10:57pm

Hi Ama, Merry Christmas. I wish I could be as merry as you are! I'm caught up in a war! I'm gonna give you a picture of what the situation is. I am torn between my family and the man I love. I have been seeing my boyfriend for 5years now. In all these years my parents have always made it clear that they don't like him. They've got loads of reasons why. their biggest fear is that his controlling nature will ruin me. Now he says we should get on and get married without them. I love him so much but I know I could never do that to my parents. I really don't know what to do.holla

   Ama  December 26, 2009 at 10:57pm

   Hello Julian,

Thanks for confiding in me. I must say I have been in a similar situation. Firstly, the decision to be happy is free and depends on the individual n the way they choose to control their mind. You should be happy and deserve to be happy. Make that decision today that no matter what you will be happy. Secondly, You should never fight with your family over a Man especially when he is fully aware of it. Your man should indeed be trying to make peace between you and your family by winning their love over. Please do not fight your people. Tomorrow that guy will use it against you. Please let him prove to your family beyond reasonable doubt that he will indeed be a good inlaw, a good father and a good husband. This will all show in his character overtime. Be wise and look before you leap!

 Julian from London:  December 27, 2009 at 3:56pm

Thank you so much Ama. Your mail brought a big smile to my face. Speakin about my issue something terrible happened yesterday. Now my family has every reason to say no. I just found out he has a daughter. My cousin who lives in missouri called my mom and told her about it. He never told me. Well I asked him and he said he was scared to tell me because he was sure I would leave him. I'm really upset by this but I still truly do not know what to do. Apparently he was even married to d lady who has the kid. I'm just so sad. Why does love have to hurt so much?

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Damn Your Principles: Stick to Your Party!

QUEEN AMA'S DEBATE

There are no true friends in politics. According to (Alan Clark-19288-99); "they are all sharks circling, and waiting, for traces of blood to appear in the water". A young man or woman with a family going for political post should get their objectives right from the start. I can confirm that if one is going there to eat, one day they will surely eat one too. Disgrace and massacre will be ones surname afterwards, when in a position to effect change just do.

Ones girlfriends and concubines, sycophants worshipping one because of power will leave one for the next powerful person in office after one is defeated. The prostitution around power does not stop. It is totally hopeless. One has to understand one is there to serve the masses. One person raining abuses and curses on one is enough to send one to the underworld with no hope of return. Now multiply one curse by the total population of Nigeria, My goodness not healthy for business. "One can say Politics is not the art of the possible".

Vicki Minaj, Ben Ezeigwe, Kehinde Dosomah and 2 others like this.

 

  Commentator 1

Tony

      Good job Ama K but i have a few remarks to make. In politics, there is no permanent friend, no permanent enemy. The only thing that is permanent is INTEREST! This is fundamental and perhaps, accounts for why friends fight n kill for sake of power.....for the prostitutes, the only thing that is permanent is also interest which is pecuniary gains. My advice is, know thyself" I will strongly, recomend THE PRINCE by Nicholo MAchiavelli for anybody considering politics in Nigeria. The Nigerian political environment seem to favour Machiavellian principles of politics. Meanwhile, the book itself was written centuries ago. The reality is that those who do not accept, end up grieve and agony. It is better to stay away if you are not prepared. To the Politicians, i will not moralise, play d politics, outsmart your colleagues, spend money but know that it is better and safer to stay on the side of the massess. Do not think about today alone but ensure dat u will be remembered for something great. One of such leaders that have emerged in contemporary Nigeria appears to be Donald Duke and a couple of others. off course if we talk about free education in the West, reference will always be made to Obafemi Awolowo, and many others. To be continued.....
January 8 at 9:05pm · Like

  Commentator 2

Nathaniel

The man niccolo machiavelli and the political ideologies he espoused are as controversial as the title of the book itself "the prince" so has controversy trailed those who wholesomely or with adept modification practiced his theories - Napolion bonappat, Adolfo hitler, Stalin, Daniel Ortega, Robert Mugabe, Ibrahim badamosi babangida, sanni abacha (pardon his lack of prowess and craft) and on and on and on....

The term "prince" is so vastly used that it contradicts its self, and no word has been so used and abused that its meaning or connotation becomes ambiguous in form. In Nigeria as well, politics whether it be schooled in machiavelli or any other contemporary discipline, is so controversial that it contradicts it's meaning and form. A politician should be and is a messenger and representative of the constituency that voted him on one hand, and a representative of the state on the other hand. But in Nigeria and most of the third world selfish interest, to further qualify Tony's contribution dictates the modus operandi and the platform on which political transitions are espoused. The representative of the state rapes the state and loots it's treasury, and the messenger of the constituency is PRINCE over the master depriving him of any returns and denying him access to the shared wealth with all impunity and alacrity. However the "temporarity" of the political office, the insatiability of the quest to acquire, and the folly of heaping up ill gotten riches for termites and cankerworms in themselves deprives the political prince any claim to craft, intelligence or common sense. The Nigerian situation is further compounded by the seemingly unholy unity between north and south, the moral depravity to which poverty either of resources or of intellect and of common sense has espoused many a politician. For the man who steals public fund to build a mansion in the choicest corner of the city is poor in conscience, and a greater poverty that could be for if i be poor of resources by providence or hardworking I can recreate my situation, but if I am poor of morality and conscience where lies my ability to turn my self around. What you have is a winding cycle of poverty, the politician - of morality and conscience, the prostitute - of shame and materiality, the constituency - of materiality and self will to rise up and say enough is enough.
January 8 at 10:25pm · Like · 1 person


Commentator 1

Tony

@Nathaniel, i am impressed by your knowledge and interest over the Nigerian political environment. You talked about about the raison d'etat of Politics/leadership and the situation on ground. But i will encourage you to embrace political realism rather than political idealism. The situation will to a large extent remain d same so far "humaan nature" is the same and does not change. For better insight on this, i will recoment the book - "LEVIATHAN" Authored by a great man - Thomos Hobbes. This book was also written in 1651 (centuries ago). Those who fail to accept political realism only end up in grief and agony.

The difference between our situation and that of the West is the SYSTEM. Their system makes it difficult for them to exhibit their animalsitic tendencies. But believe me, human nature is same. Men are brutal, wicked, feikel. The system- law, religion, society, amongst others helps tame these tendencies in man....it does not matter wether you are white or black. Human being is a human being irrespective of age sex or race. This idea as espoused by Hobbes in 1651 is still valid as human nature cannot change. On the part of the current Nigerian political situation, i will conclude as follows: ALL POWERS BELONG TO GOD AND GIVES POWER.....BUT IN OUR OWN REALM AS HUMANS, NOBODY GIVES POWER OR SHOULD I SAY GOD CANNOT COME HIMSELF TO GIVE YOU POWER. THEREFORE, YOU MUST TAKE IT BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY!!

Like i have always argued, Does Lion ask for permission to take his meal?? NO! So it is should be for you if you really want to make a change.....let us come out of our shell and STOP blaming others for our situation because it will NOT change unless we are ready to change it or accept it the way it is.
‎Sunday at 9:31am · Like



 Moderator

AMA

 Mr Obioha if I may ask where you are based   currently? I agree with Tony on your vast knowledge around politics.

Sunday at 9:33am · Like

Commentator 3

Roseline

well i must say this topic politics is like an unending circle of questions about what it truly is,each person has their view of what politics is,u guys have stated from both the ideological and realistic point of view,but the real question is if you where in politics what would u have done???its so quick for us to pass judgements on those who practice politics,we say i would have done this,i will have done that!would u actually have done what u think u would do if you were there????it is only a person who has taken part in politics that can really say what politics is all about,if we should face the truth,if we where to have all the financial resources at our disposal,what would we do?a human being would think first of solving his or her personal problems,even before thinking about helping his or her country,because people would want to save themselves before saving their country,do u really think that people would even think twice when it comes to saving their country instead of themselves?????the bone of contention here is that everyone is selfish in one way or the other,selfishness,greed is like a reflection of politics,which u can not seperate!power on the other hand only comes when u have the money to shut up all the holigans, bandits,prostitutes,assassins,no one would have the guts to stand up and say enough is enough!because they are afraid for their lifes,like the saying goes money talks and bullshit works!politics is a disease and the only antidote to it is GOD!because the people in politics are human beings which were created by God himself,because practically speaking no human has the solution to politics,because we are all greedy!lolzzzz.......
Sunday at 3:01pm · Like · 1 person

 
Commentator 2

Nathaniel

Roseline thanks for sharing your views, but I will like to make the following declarations and allow everyone to challenge: (1) politics by itself is not a dirty game, it can be as clean as being a director of a company. There are directors who deliver to the company and to employees and without stealing company's fund. (2) people with integrity will do what they say they will do, so lack of integrity of the generality does not necessarily mean mean are without integrity by nature. (3) I disagree with the generalization that everyone is selfish, there are some political leaders in Nigeria that have shown selfless service, selfishness is a moral weakness it is not hard wired in humans, (4) abuse of power is a human defensive mechanism for insecurity, lower self esteem and fear, and people based on moral grounding, exposure, education and principles react to those differently. That Nigerian politicians failed does not make politics a bad thing...thanks for contributing to the debate. Please don't take my response as shutting you up, am only challenging some of the assumptions you made, cause assumptions if not challenged become theory, theories become practice, practice become precedence, precedence become culture.....and culture unlike the rest is as hard as BRICK WALL.
Sunday at 4:03pm · Like

 Commentator 3

AMA

Roseline, I agree with you. That instrument called power has proven to be a demon overtime and not everyone does a good job of handling it without making a mess of themselves. However, that does not mean people cannot criticise the evils around it, probably one or 2 governments will hear the voice of the youth through this forum. Guys go ahead and empty your thoughts.
Sunday at 6:11pm · Like

Tony

Commentator 1

@Roseline, considering the soci-political environment of Russia where you wrote from, you are definitely on point. Your comment is clearly in line with a typical political situation in real life. If you ask me, the only difference is that in some places or parts of the world, the SYSTEM helps tame/curtail the actions of men. Will elaborate on this point below while responding to Nathaniel. @Ama, i agree with you that we cannot say because it is so then let’s stop critiquing the evil actions of men. No we must continue to discuss and condem such actions by every means necessary. @Obioha, i will take the issues you raised one after the other. For No.(1) above, the question of politics being a dirty game is highly subjective. You need to expansiate on that............ However, i find your points No. (2), (3) and (4) as largely faulty. The ideas you have expressed seem to be valid only in the world of Political Idealism. It shows lack of understanding of the Human nature and ideas espoused by Thomos Hobbes in LEVIATHAN written in 1651. Human nature is the same today tommorow and forever. Thank God for religion, law and other mechanisms in the society that helps tame/curtail the evil that man do. Human Nature has been the same from the time of Adam and Eve, Adolph Hitler, Bismark, Stalin, Idia Amin, Babangida, Abacha, you can go on and on. Throughput, human history, man have showed its true colours in terms of wickedness to fellow men. From the Renaissance period to Reformation down to industrial Age and scramble for Africa, the situation has not changed. So to think it will change in 2011 is only but a mirage and an argument for the young minds in political theory n statecraft. @Ama, i know you are always interested in SOLUTION and how the society can be left better than we met it. I am sure; the historical approach i have taken above will give an insight and direction in terms of solution. My RECOMMENDATION and what appears to be a SOLUTION based on my knowledge of world history is that - (A) we should not try to think that human nature has changed or will someday change. Therefore, efforts should be on getting new mechanisms that will tame man and to strengthen existing ones. Emphasis should be given on aspects of religion (- Christianity, Islam, etc) that is against such selfish tendencies in man. (B), Strengthen existing laws and its enforcement. Though, man will at its convenient disobey laws to make room for their selfish interests but it is better to be there than nothing. (C), we should expose, speak against evil works and codem them in strong terms. The embarrassment that follows to the family and the person in question will help to some extent. (D) Like they in Psychology, whose OX or OXEN have we not stolen or attempted t steal?? It is also possible to talk about the Id, ego and super ego...which means all humans have same tendency, it is a matter of opportunity and exposure. Realising, that it is so, will help us to encourage them in a way that they will make huge efforts to desist from such acts. However, my position is that Not all shall follow dis last solution as others will be on the aggressive side. Putting pressure. I could go on and on, on this matter, but i am sure the points above will illuminate this very important issue. God bless you all....
Sunday at 7:11pm · Unlike · 1 person

Commentator 3

Roseline

  This has become truly an intellectual debate. @Tony, i agree with your points and have been informed by your comment. I am sure others have benefited from this. @Ama, thank you for providing the platform for discussions and it is my hope that our ideas will make a change in our society someday.
Sunday at 8:06pm · Unlike · 2 people

Commentator 2

Nathaniel

   Thanks all for your contributions. I do not however   subscribe
to theories that contradict the ability of humans to change the status quo, recreate them and change their environment, for if that be the case we are one and all but doomed. But history stands clear that the contrary, which is the position I deposed is the case. Restated for clarity - people with integrity will do what they say they will do irrespective of pressure, reason why religion, morality and law are all mechanisms for change, (2) power is a defensive mechanism, abuse of power is an absolute defence to shield insecurity and fear within, (3) selfishness is a moral weakness, for there are people who have learnt the strength to serve selflessly, and finally politics is not dirty in nature, people make it so....I won't blow my trumpet or address Tony's insinuations of lack of understanding of human nature for Leviathan's theory is not sacrosanct neither a universal law but only a proposition with tens and thousands of contrary views.
Sunday at 11:02pm · Like



Commentator 4

BEN

Not much to say here I hate it when I agree with tony!
Sunday at 11:24pm · Like  2 people

Commentator 4

BEN

I do not buy the whole God gave us bad leaders hogwash, Nigerians are not rascals they are just unfortunate, unfortunate to find themselves in a contraption that hinders development. Its easy to stay on this page and call the masses political prostitutes but poverty is not the only problem wrong with Nigeria. Take a brief survey and ask people why they want GEJ back, tribalism and the silly notion that he is God sent is what filled my survey. Every Nigerian is fundamentally flawed naturally and cognitive dissonance means we will always follow the path of least resistance.
Sunday at 11:57pm · Like · 2 people

Commentator 5

Sleekkilla' Gold

 I agree with Nathaniel...Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his famous dissertation on power, The Prince, in 1517. Machiavelli was only interested in directly discussing the elements of power. Nigerian politicians are Africa's shame, and they are a disgrace to politicians the world over of which they are no part of (i have no apologies). As for the masses who are political prostitutes, blame it on poverty. Its not as if they dont know d right thing to do. They say Italians are rascals, but if Napoleon and Leopold were alive, they would know there are are people who have surpassed Italians in rascality..NIGERIANS! Methink God gave African bad leaders, and gave the western world natural disasters to balance everything cus African will never be able to handle natural disasters. The police and Nepa will add to casualty (it’s my own personal opinion). Governing Nigerians is not impossible, it’s merely useless. Every Nigerian is crooked, EVEN YOU!
Sunday at 11:43pm · Unlike ·

 Commentator 5

Sleekkilla' Gold

‎ @ Ogo/ i mentioned rascality because;   Nigeria can only be turned around by a dictator. (i can hear u screaming blue murder!) Now, what do u call someone who can’t even obey traffic light or who dump waste on the streets? i don’t know another word to describe such people. i called the masses political prostitutes because they support whoever impress them most which speech or shares some stolen money around. Note, only those who have stolen have money for politics. Nigeria is cursed by the riches (oil), under her feet. It’s a cold turkey
Monday at 12:04am · Like

Commentator 4

Ben

Again I beg to differ; we all know the story of Nigerians pushing and shoving at murtala mohammed airport and when they get to Heathrow they all enter into the queue and behave themselves. If you are born into a society that has no respect for rules you would inevitably do things that way. For instance people driving in Lagos can attest that things have changed in recent years on the road. What I am saying is people respect a system, human beings like to imitate. IF you go into a gathering that is orderly and peaceful you would find yourself making the effort to conform. The solution to Nigeria's problems do not lie in a Dictator, it is certainly too complex for a dictator to solve, he might succeed in suppressing but certainly not solving the problem
Monday at 1:15am · Like · 1 person

Commentator 5

Sleekkilla' Gold

 Well, u have a point. i like the part where u said ''If you are born into a society that has no respect for rules you would inevitably do things that way.'' And that’s why we can adapt to any form of treatment and injustice. We are just a natural survivor.
Monday at 1:20am · Like

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AMA

 Kingzley what you have learned overtime is what you    become and that is culture.
Monday at 5:48am · Like



Commentator 5

Sleekkilla' Gold

‎ @ Ama/ i agree with you guys, on that. But have we bothered to ask why Nigerians abide to law in other countries? It’s simply because they want to survive, and make a living. Nigerians are naturally stubborn no matter how much u guys want to argue that. The average Nigerian is a rascal.
Monday at 6:46am · Like

BEN

Nigerians obey laws in other countries because they see the citizens of that country obey the laws, the average Nigerian might be loud but certainly not a rascal.
              Monday at 5:58pm · Like

Commentator 5

Sleekkilla' Gold

Lol...if u say so.



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AMA

 I see positivity coming out if this. Should our leaders show the right example others would follow. Imagine the president of Nigeria Goodluck Jonathan queuing to buy tickets in a local airport just before he boards the   plane or waiting for his turn in a traffic jam caused by a bad road. Now tell me which Nigerian would not follow the rules.

Commentator 1

Tony

The comments are overwhelming. Well done guys...Special thanks to Ama K
January 11 at 10:19pm · Like · 1 person



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AMA

 I can only add massive thanks at this point for all your contributions to this weekend’s hot matter on Queen  Ama's Food For Thought using facebook platform. We had 5 commentators from different parts of the world representing various cultures. The moderator was Queen Ama. What links us across the globe are our words, faith and culture. We are better off letting out steams in the use of Appropriate words and connecting with others from different parts of the world. See you same time next week. Have a fantastic week ahead.
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